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            <title>[MC-2836] Wall signs float slightly in front of the blocks they have been placed on</title>
                <link>https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-2836</link>
                <project id="10400" key="MC">Minecraft: Java Edition</project>
                    <description>&lt;h3&gt;&lt;a name=&quot;TheBug&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The Bug&lt;/h3&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wall signs have a small gap between them and the block they are placed on. It&apos;s not a huge issue, but it looks odd.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;&lt;a name=&quot;StepstoReproduce&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Steps to Reproduce&lt;/h3&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Place down a sign on a wall.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Look closely at where the sign connects to the wall.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;


&lt;h3&gt;&lt;a name=&quot;ObservedBehavior&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Observed Behavior&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wall signs float slightly in front of the block that they&apos;re supported by.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;&lt;a name=&quot;ExpectedBehavior&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Expected Behavior&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wall signs would not float slightly in front of the block that they&apos;re supported by. Instead, they should be properly attached to the block that they&apos;re on.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;&lt;a name=&quot;PotentialFix&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Potential Fix&lt;/h3&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This could be fixed by converting wall signs to use a block model, and only using entity rendering for the text, to bring them closer in line with other blocks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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        <key id="14624">MC-2836</key>
            <summary>Wall signs float slightly in front of the blocks they have been placed on</summary>
                <type id="1" iconUrl="https://bugs.mojang.com/secure/viewavatar?size=xsmall&amp;avatarId=18903&amp;avatarType=issuetype">Bug</type>
                                    <status id="4" iconUrl="https://bugs.mojang.com/images/icons/statuses/reopened.png" description="This issue was once resolved, but the resolution was deemed incorrect. From here issues are either marked assigned or resolved.">Reopened</status>
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                                    <resolution id="-1">Unresolved</resolution>
                                        <assignee username="-1">Unassigned</assignee>
                                    <reporter username="Awesoman3000">Connor Steppie</reporter>
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                            <label>blocks-which-should-use-block-models</label>
                            <label>sign</label>
                            <label>wall_sign</label>
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                <created>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 02:10:58 +0100</created>
                <updated>Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:11:46 +0200</updated>
                                            <version>Minecraft 1.4.2</version>
                    <version>Minecraft 1.4.4</version>
                    <version>Minecraft 1.11</version>
                    <version>1.15.2</version>
                    <version>20w07a</version>
                    <version>20w16a</version>
                    <version>20w17a</version>
                    <version>20w18a</version>
                    <version>20w19a</version>
                    <version>20w20b</version>
                    <version>20w21a</version>
                    <version>1.16 Pre-release 1</version>
                    <version>1.16 Pre-release 2</version>
                    <version>1.16 Pre-release 3</version>
                    <version>1.16.1</version>
                    <version>20w27a</version>
                    <version>20w28a</version>
                    <version>20w29a</version>
                    <version>20w30a</version>
                    <version>1.16.2 Pre-release 1</version>
                    <version>1.16.2 Release Candidate 1</version>
                    <version>1.16.2</version>
                    <version>1.16.3 Release Candidate 1</version>
                    <version>1.16.3</version>
                    <version>1.16.4</version>
                    <version>20w46a</version>
                    <version>20w48a</version>
                    <version>20w49a</version>
                    <version>20w51a</version>
                    <version>21w03a</version>
                    <version>1.16.5</version>
                    <version>21w05b</version>
                    <version>21w06a</version>
                    <version>21w07a</version>
                    <version>21w08b</version>
                    <version>21w11a</version>
                    <version>21w13a</version>
                    <version>21w14a</version>
                    <version>21w15a</version>
                    <version>21w16a</version>
                    <version>21w17a</version>
                    <version>21w18a</version>
                    <version>21w19a</version>
                    <version>21w20a</version>
                    <version>1.17 Pre-release 1</version>
                    <version>1.17</version>
                    <version>1.17.1</version>
                    <version>21w39a</version>
                    <version>21w40a</version>
                    <version>21w42a</version>
                    <version>1.18 Pre-release 1</version>
                    <version>1.18</version>
                    <version>1.18.1 Pre-release 1</version>
                    <version>1.18.1</version>
                    <version>1.18.2</version>
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                    <version>1.19.2</version>
                    <version>1.19.3</version>
                    <version>1.19.4</version>
                    <version>23w14a</version>
                    <version>1.20 Pre-release 2</version>
                    <version>1.20 Release Candidate 1</version>
                    <version>1.20</version>
                    <version>1.20.1</version>
                    <version>1.20.2</version>
                    <version>23w43a</version>
                    <version>1.20.4</version>
                    <version>1.20.5 Release Candidate 2</version>
                    <version>1.21.1</version>
                                                                        <votes>44</votes>
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                                                                            <comments>
                            <comment id="1317163" author="JIRAUSER777033" created="Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:30:53 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in all 1.20 versions.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="1287557" author="JIRAUSER765667" created="Thu, 26 Oct 2023 14:41:50 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;While this is a bug, it allows for some cool secret messages. while I was able to write on the back on macOS by positioning my crosshair just right, but you can just use a bottom slab, write on the back, and convert that slab to a full block by placing another slab&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="1287549" author="jouppi22" created="Thu, 26 Oct 2023 13:56:59 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;In 23w43a&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="1257312" author="darth cobby" created="Wed, 17 May 2023 07:12:35 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;&lt;del&gt;This actually allows you to write on the back of a placed wall sign.&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Never mind, the hitbox actually extends all the way to the supporting wall. So this bug is purely visual and has no effect on sign editing.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="1237133" author="JIRAUSER734481" created="Sat, 11 Feb 2023 16:39:23 +0100"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 23w06a&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="1190141" author="JIRAUSER566325" created="Sat, 6 Aug 2022 20:57:20 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 1.19.2.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="1170274" author="JIRAUSER566325" created="Wed, 8 Jun 2022 14:42:39 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 1.19.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="1144692" author="soloalguien" created="Tue, 1 Mar 2022 21:42:52 +0100"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 1.18.2.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="1126082" author="JIRAUSER566325" created="Tue, 14 Dec 2021 18:39:40 +0100"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 1.18.1.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="1120791" author="soloalguien" created="Sat, 4 Dec 2021 00:27:28 +0100"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 1.18 and 1.18.1 Pre-release 1.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="1106622" author="soloalguien" created="Thu, 11 Nov 2021 20:02:04 +0100"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 1.18 Pre-release 1.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="1093785" author="soloalguien" created="Wed, 20 Oct 2021 23:42:34 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 21w42a.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="1087806" author="JIRAUSER648933" created="Sun, 10 Oct 2021 20:22:36 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 21w40a.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="1083017" author="JIRAUSER566325" created="Sat, 2 Oct 2021 16:45:20 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Here are some extra details regarding this problem.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Bug:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wall signs float slightly in front of the block that they&apos;re supported by.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Steps to Reproduce:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Place down a sign on a wall.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Look closely at where the sign connects to the wall.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;


&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Observed Behavior:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wall signs float slightly in front of the block that they&apos;re supported by.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Expected Behavior:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wall signs would not float slightly in front of the block that they&apos;re supported by. Instead, they should be properly attached to the block that they&apos;re on.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="1081438" author="soloalguien" created="Thu, 30 Sep 2021 00:31:00 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 21w39a.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="1034272" author="soloalguien" created="Mon, 12 Jul 2021 01:12:06 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 1.17.1.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="1015721" author="JIRAUSER566325" created="Tue, 15 Jun 2021 09:22:14 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 1.17.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="1003295" author="soloalguien" created="Wed, 2 Jun 2021 07:38:27 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 1.17 Pre-release 3.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="991633" author="soloalguien" created="Sun, 16 May 2021 03:15:28 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 21w19a.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="987859" author="soloalguien" created="Fri, 7 May 2021 21:44:57 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 21w18a.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="983526" author="JIRAUSER566325" created="Fri, 30 Apr 2021 14:57:45 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 21w17a.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="975468" author="JIRAUSER566325" created="Mon, 19 Apr 2021 10:34:04 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 21w15a.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="968185" author="soloalguien" created="Fri, 9 Apr 2021 01:30:50 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 21w14a.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="963530" author="soloalguien" created="Sat, 3 Apr 2021 07:17:08 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 21w13a.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="960046" author="JIRAUSER566325" created="Mon, 29 Mar 2021 11:52:09 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Relates to &lt;a href=&quot;https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-104092&quot; title=&quot;Some plants float on farmland&quot; class=&quot;issue-link&quot; data-issue-key=&quot;MC-104092&quot;&gt;MC-104092&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-212256&quot; title=&quot;Redstone dust and lily pads only just barely float off of their supporting block&quot; class=&quot;issue-link&quot; data-issue-key=&quot;MC-212256&quot;&gt;&lt;del&gt;MC-212256&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="959796" author="JIRAUSER566325" created="Sun, 28 Mar 2021 18:45:29 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 1.16.5 and 21w11a.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="927471" author="bittervoid" created="Sat, 20 Feb 2021 14:59:26 +0100"  >&lt;p&gt;How long has this been a thing? I don&#8217;t like it. It should be touching the block in my opinion.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="926021" author="JIRAUSER566325" created="Thu, 18 Feb 2021 19:40:29 +0100"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 21w07a. Video attached.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="919972" author="JIRAUSER566325" created="Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:01:29 +0100"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 21w06a.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="912637" author="JIRAUSER566325" created="Thu, 4 Feb 2021 19:33:41 +0100"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 21w05b.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="883186" author="JIRAUSER566325" created="Thu, 24 Dec 2020 11:57:56 +0100"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 20w51a.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="849449" author="JIRAUSER566325" created="Wed, 25 Nov 2020 20:41:05 +0100"  >&lt;p&gt;Can confirm in 20w48a.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="762990" author="JIRAUSER508442" created="Mon, 13 Jul 2020 02:23:36 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Can reproduce in 20w28a&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="757365" author="JIRAUSER474695" created="Mon, 6 Jul 2020 15:34:40 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Confirmed/Reproduced in 20w27a.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="705753" author="awesoman3000" created="Sun, 24 May 2020 04:48:28 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Affects 20w21a, can I request ownership?&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="697793" author="jouppi22" created="Fri, 15 May 2020 00:40:31 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Affects 20w20b&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="690788" author="jouppi22" created="Wed, 6 May 2020 23:58:22 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Affects 20w19a&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="686946" author="jouppi22" created="Sat, 2 May 2020 17:52:59 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Affects 20w18a&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="676939" author="jouppi22" created="Wed, 22 Apr 2020 17:15:17 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Affects 20w17a&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="666584" author="alugia" created="Thu, 16 Apr 2020 09:40:08 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Confirmed in 20w16a&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="635202" author="violine1101" created="Sun, 16 Feb 2020 21:15:11 +0100"  >&lt;p&gt;Reopened and confirmed for the latest versions. This ticket should not have been closed in the first place.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="550538" author="shelter" created="Fri, 24 May 2019 23:26:17 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Just because it&apos;s been like this forever doesn&apos;t mean it&apos;s right.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&apos;t know about the Minecraft internals but I imagine changing signs might break things.&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="550458" author="halfofakebab" created="Fri, 24 May 2019 18:20:24 +0200"  >&lt;p&gt;Is this actually invalid? Seems like an oversight to me. Dunno why it would be intentional behaviour. If this is re-opened, it affects 1.14 and 1.14-pre4.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="20955" author="mortvert" created="Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:03:44 +0100"  >&lt;p&gt;This isn&apos;t a bug.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Please, don&apos;t post minor annoyances to the bugtracker.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="20923" author="shelter" created="Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:27:46 +0100"  >&lt;p&gt;This gap never really bothered me, don&apos;t think it&apos;s a bug but if the gap can be tweaked, go ahead! &lt;img class=&quot;emoticon&quot; src=&quot;https://bugs.mojang.com/images/icons/emoticons/smile.png&quot; height=&quot;16&quot; width=&quot;16&quot; align=&quot;absmiddle&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; border=&quot;0&quot;/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="20918" author="dem_olli" created="Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:01:08 +0100"  >&lt;p&gt;This gap prevents Z-fighting between the backside of the sing and the face of the block its attached to &lt;img class=&quot;emoticon&quot; src=&quot;https://bugs.mojang.com/images/icons/emoticons/wink.png&quot; height=&quot;16&quot; width=&quot;16&quot; align=&quot;absmiddle&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; border=&quot;0&quot;/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;
btw: i noticed this a long time ago in beta 1.6&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
                            <comment id="20873" author="banana478" created="Mon, 12 Nov 2012 02:43:13 +0100"  >&lt;p&gt;And signs on fences have a huge gap.&lt;/p&gt;</comment>
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