[MC-2836] Wall signs float slightly in front of the blocks they have been placed on Created: 12/Nov/12  Updated: 15/Aug/24

Status: Reopened
Project: Minecraft: Java Edition
Component/s: None
Affects Version/s: Minecraft 1.4.2, Minecraft 1.4.4, Minecraft 1.11, 1.15.2, 20w07a, 20w16a, 20w17a, 20w18a, 20w19a, 20w20b, 20w21a, 1.16 Pre-release 1, 1.16 Pre-release 2, 1.16 Pre-release 3, 1.16.1, 20w27a, 20w28a, 20w29a, 20w30a, 1.16.2 Pre-release 1, 1.16.2 Release Candidate 1, 1.16.2, 1.16.3 Release Candidate 1, 1.16.3, 1.16.4, 20w46a, 20w48a, 20w49a, 20w51a, 21w03a, 1.16.5, 21w05b, 21w06a, 21w07a, 21w08b, 21w11a, 21w13a, 21w14a, 21w15a, 21w16a, 21w17a, 21w18a, 21w19a, 21w20a, 1.17 Pre-release 1, 1.17, 1.17.1, 21w39a, 21w40a, 21w42a, 1.18 Pre-release 1, 1.18, 1.18.1 Pre-release 1, 1.18.1, 1.18.2, 1.19, 1.19.2, 1.19.3, 1.19.4, 23w14a, 1.20 Pre-release 2, 1.20 Release Candidate 1, 1.20, 1.20.1, 1.20.2, 23w43a, 1.20.4, 1.20.5 Release Candidate 2, 1.21.1
Fix Version/s: None

Type: Bug
Reporter: Connor Steppie Assignee: Unassigned
Resolution: Unresolved Votes: 44
Labels: blocks-which-should-use-block-models, sign, wall_sign

Attachments: PNG File 2012-11-11_20.04.57.png     File MC-2836.mp4     PNG File MC-2836.png     PNG File sign (1).png     PNG File sign (2).png    
Issue Links:
Duplicate
is duplicated by MC-12424 Signs placed on walls have a gap behi... Resolved
is duplicated by MC-14896 Signs are not attracted to blocks Resolved
is duplicated by MC-104789 Signs do not touch blocks Resolved
is duplicated by MC-111146 Signs Float In Front Of Blocks Resolved
is duplicated by MC-172528 signs on walls are not attached. Resolved
is duplicated by MC-179587 There's a gap between wall signs and ... Resolved
is duplicated by MC-193819 Signs are not placed directly on a wall Resolved
is duplicated by MC-194743 Sign on Wall Floats Resolved
is duplicated by MC-195507 Signs render away from blocks. Resolved
is duplicated by MC-200561 You can see behind signs on walls in F5 Resolved
is duplicated by MC-270836 Signs are 1 pixel off the front of a ... Resolved
Relates
relates to MC-104092 Some plants float on farmland Open
relates to MC-183536 Camera can move through iron bars Open
relates to MC-175866 3rd person camera can move through glass Resolved
relates to MC-212256 Redstone dust and lily pads only just... Resolved
relates to MCPE-120677 Signs float in front of the block ins... Resolved
relates to MC-155551 Rails, ladders and vines slightly flo... Resolved
CHK:
Confirmation Status: Confirmed
Category:
Block states, Textures and models
Mojang Priority: Low
Area: Gameplay

 Description   

The Bug

Wall signs have a small gap between them and the block they are placed on. It's not a huge issue, but it looks odd.

Steps to Reproduce

  • Place down a sign on a wall.
  • Look closely at where the sign connects to the wall.

Observed Behavior

Wall signs float slightly in front of the block that they're supported by.

Expected Behavior

Wall signs would not float slightly in front of the block that they're supported by. Instead, they should be properly attached to the block that they're on.

Potential Fix

This could be fixed by converting wall signs to use a block model, and only using entity rendering for the text, to bring them closer in line with other blocks.



 Comments   
Comment by ChappJack [ 20/Apr/24 ]

Can confirm in all 1.20 versions.

Comment by Camo_Cat [ 26/Oct/23 ]

While this is a bug, it allows for some cool secret messages. while I was able to write on the back on macOS by positioning my crosshair just right, but you can just use a bottom slab, write on the back, and convert that slab to a full block by placing another slab

Comment by Jon1337 [ 26/Oct/23 ]

In 23w43a

Comment by [Mod] j_p_smith [ 17/May/23 ]

This actually allows you to write on the back of a placed wall sign.

Never mind, the hitbox actually extends all the way to the supporting wall. So this bug is purely visual and has no effect on sign editing.

Comment by Brain81505 [ 11/Feb/23 ]

Can confirm in 23w06a

Comment by [Mod] Avoma [ 06/Aug/22 ]

Can confirm in 1.19.2.

Comment by [Mod] Avoma [ 08/Jun/22 ]

Can confirm in 1.19.

Comment by Solo Alguien [ 01/Mar/22 ]

Can confirm in 1.18.2.

Comment by [Mod] Avoma [ 14/Dec/21 ]

Can confirm in 1.18.1.

Comment by Solo Alguien [ 03/Dec/21 ]

Can confirm in 1.18 and 1.18.1 Pre-release 1.

Comment by Solo Alguien [ 11/Nov/21 ]

Can confirm in 1.18 Pre-release 1.

Comment by Solo Alguien [ 20/Oct/21 ]

Can confirm in 21w42a.

Comment by [Mod] ampolive [ 10/Oct/21 ]

Can confirm in 21w40a.

Comment by [Mod] Avoma [ 02/Oct/21 ]

Here are some extra details regarding this problem.

The Bug:

Wall signs float slightly in front of the block that they're supported by.

Steps to Reproduce:

  • Place down a sign on a wall.
  • Look closely at where the sign connects to the wall.

Observed Behavior:

Wall signs float slightly in front of the block that they're supported by.

Expected Behavior:

Wall signs would not float slightly in front of the block that they're supported by. Instead, they should be properly attached to the block that they're on.

Comment by Solo Alguien [ 29/Sep/21 ]

Can confirm in 21w39a.

Comment by Solo Alguien [ 11/Jul/21 ]

Can confirm in 1.17.1.

Comment by [Mod] Avoma [ 15/Jun/21 ]

Can confirm in 1.17.

Comment by Solo Alguien [ 02/Jun/21 ]

Can confirm in 1.17 Pre-release 3.

Comment by Solo Alguien [ 16/May/21 ]

Can confirm in 21w19a.

Comment by Solo Alguien [ 07/May/21 ]

Can confirm in 21w18a.

Comment by [Mod] Avoma [ 30/Apr/21 ]

Can confirm in 21w17a.

Comment by [Mod] Avoma [ 19/Apr/21 ]

Can confirm in 21w15a.

Comment by Solo Alguien [ 08/Apr/21 ]

Can confirm in 21w14a.

Comment by Solo Alguien [ 03/Apr/21 ]

Can confirm in 21w13a.

Comment by [Mod] Avoma [ 29/Mar/21 ]

Relates to MC-104092 and MC-212256.

Comment by [Mod] Avoma [ 28/Mar/21 ]

Can confirm in 1.16.5 and 21w11a.

Comment by Null [ 20/Feb/21 ]

How long has this been a thing? I don’t like it. It should be touching the block in my opinion.

Comment by [Mod] Avoma [ 18/Feb/21 ]

Can confirm in 21w07a. Video attached.

Comment by [Mod] Avoma [ 12/Feb/21 ]

Can confirm in 21w06a.

Comment by [Mod] Avoma [ 04/Feb/21 ]

Can confirm in 21w05b.

Comment by [Mod] Avoma [ 24/Dec/20 ]

Can confirm in 20w51a.

Comment by [Mod] Avoma [ 25/Nov/20 ]

Can confirm in 20w48a.

Comment by pulpetti [ 13/Jul/20 ]

Can reproduce in 20w28a

Comment by edelewill [ 06/Jul/20 ]

Confirmed/Reproduced in 20w27a.

 

Comment by Connor Steppie [ 24/May/20 ]

Affects 20w21a, can I request ownership?

Comment by Jon1337 [ 14/May/20 ]

Affects 20w20b

Comment by Jon1337 [ 06/May/20 ]

Affects 20w19a

Comment by Jon1337 [ 02/May/20 ]

Affects 20w18a

Comment by Jon1337 [ 22/Apr/20 ]

Affects 20w17a

Comment by Alugia [ 16/Apr/20 ]

Confirmed in 20w16a

Comment by [Mod] violine1101 [ 16/Feb/20 ]

Reopened and confirmed for the latest versions. This ticket should not have been closed in the first place.

Comment by Rickard Åberg [ 24/May/19 ]

Just because it's been like this forever doesn't mean it's right.

I don't know about the Minecraft internals but I imagine changing signs might break things. 

Comment by HalfOfAKebab [ 24/May/19 ]

Is this actually invalid? Seems like an oversight to me. Dunno why it would be intentional behaviour. If this is re-opened, it affects 1.14 and 1.14-pre4.

Comment by Mortvert (Mort Imert) [ 12/Nov/12 ]

This isn't a bug.

Please, don't post minor annoyances to the bugtracker.

Comment by Rickard Åberg [ 12/Nov/12 ]

This gap never really bothered me, don't think it's a bug but if the gap can be tweaked, go ahead!

Comment by Oliver Okum [ 12/Nov/12 ]

This gap prevents Z-fighting between the backside of the sing and the face of the block its attached to
btw: i noticed this a long time ago in beta 1.6

Comment by Anon Ymus [ 12/Nov/12 ]

And signs on fences have a huge gap.

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